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Post by Main_Event_Quality on Jul 31, 2009 2:17:48 GMT -5
Oh my geez, they book him like a total pansy. He hides behind jobbers who shouldn't be jobbers, and he runs away from everyone. They book him golden leading to his eventful title reigns then they throw it out the window for bullshit. Randy has never been hotter than his build-up leading to WM25 but since that match and now, just atrocious. He has his moments where I mark out for him when he doe heelish dastardly things but falls short whenever they put the strap on him and make it seem he's not supposed to even be in the same ring as Cena/Batista/HHH. You may say "but he's a heel, that's what they do" I dont buy that. Look at HHH's heel run and prior to quad tear. He was the shit and every so often he won matches on his own and beat the hell out of people. Look at American Bad ass Taker as a heel as well as Brock as a heel. Sure they had their moments of running but they held their own in the ring and looked like they deserved to be champ. Randy looks like the title fell on his lap one morning and he tries whatever he can to retain it. As a fan of heels, he's not doing it for me as cham
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Post by Goldash on Aug 3, 2009 3:26:02 GMT -5
They always seem to push him at the wrong point. Without any hint of buildup, he arrives and defeats the current champion in a minute's span. Then, for weeks on end, he defends his belt against wrestlers who shouldn't be competing for title belts. Afterward, he's embroiled in a potentially-awesome angle with one of wrestling's biggest stars in which he begins to turn heel and gain a lot of heat, but loses his belt just as his turn hits its apex. They claim he's not over enough to carry the company, but it's only because he's being booked into oblivion. Yes, his career can certainly be fixed and his heel persona expanded to great lengths, but it's one big mistake at the moment...
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Post by Malaphesto on Aug 3, 2009 14:13:27 GMT -5
I don't like Randy Orton and I find his reign really boring yet I feel I need to defend him right now lol Oh my geez, they book him like a total pansy. He hides behind jobbers who shouldn't be jobbers, and he runs away from everyone. He's the leader of a heel faction. ALL leaders of heel factions act like that. He's just being a typical heel and making sure the title stays around his waist That's because they need to build his credibility up before challenging for the title. Most of the time he's challenging the same guy who took the title off him so he needs to go in looking stronger than before to keeps the fans attention see previous comment The thing is that IS how it's suppossed to be. The faces are always suppossed to be much better in the ring, that way the heels have to cheat which makes the fans boo them. Then watch TNA where everybody is a tweener Trips had much better faces to work with. The fans would boo somebody just for attacking Austin from behind, where as today the fans aren't gonna boo somebody just for attacking Cena. Hell Edge got cheered for it. Those two are huge power houses, they wouldn't be able to make the coward thing work. And much like my last comment they also had better faces to work with. It did and he does, that's why people boo him
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Post by revolution1232000 on Aug 3, 2009 14:33:49 GMT -5
Rey Mysterio - Too unrealistic IMHO.
Jeff Hardy - I'm not a fan of him as a singles competitor.
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Post by Goldash on Aug 3, 2009 14:45:22 GMT -5
Rey Mysterio - Too unrealistic IMHO. Yeah, looking back I think Rey's reign did what it intended to do: pay tribute to Eddie Guerrero and nothing more. I just watched Wrestlemania 22 again the other day and the crowd was cheering for Kurt Angle and saw it as a huge letdown that Rey won the title that night, although many fans cheered. Yes, this made Rey over but, once again, the kind of main-event competition he received was weak. True, they could've booked him a lot better and given him a more desperate underdog character but at the end of the day, Rey just didn't belong in the main event. And I say that respectfully. If the WWE main event scene changed and had a lot more high-flying guys, then, sure, Rey could hold his own as champion. But when you face JBL week after week there's nowhere you can go but down. I don't mind Hardy in solo action despite his spot-monkey-ness, but I think he's been fucked over too many times in his solo career. Just when you think the fans couldn't cheer for him any more insanely, he jobs to HHH or Orton and his popularity takes a small nosedive. I loved seeing him win the title in Buffalo in December but he lost it a month later to Edge at the Royal Rumble. I would have booked Wrestlemania differently instead, and had the Hardy vs. Hardy match as the Smackdown main event (providing, of course, that it would be a lot better than the slight let-down of a match we saw at WM25). Now, with Hardy rumored to be on the way out of WWE, it's inevitable that he drops the belt to Punk at Summerslam and caps off another embarrassing title reign.
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Post by DevildrummerX on Aug 3, 2009 16:39:42 GMT -5
I'm going with Tommy Dreamer's ECW Title reign. To me he's never been that much of a wrestler but instead a hardcore wannabe, I understand the WWE gave him the belt, to keep him around IMO, but also to give the crowd what they wanted apparently. But I just don't think he worked as a champion he went from wearing an ECW T-Shirt to the ring one week to wearing a sports jacket kinda of a sell-out move in my opinion. I'm just glad they finally gave it back to Christian maybe now we can have some entertaining ECW title matches...
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Post by efwwrestling on Aug 4, 2009 18:16:41 GMT -5
Jesus. we go 6 posts deep into this thread without mentioning David Arquette?
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Post by Undamaged Threat on Aug 4, 2009 18:45:45 GMT -5
*cough*Vince Russo as WCW champion*cough*
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Post by Goldash on Aug 4, 2009 20:12:59 GMT -5
Of course I can't forget about every WCW World Heavyweight Championship reign in the promotion's last year...but I was thinking contemporary. Because it's almost just as bad in WWE right now.
Championship belts have lost so much prestige in WWE it's not even funny. The only time I think WWE treats its championships right is only one day a year: Wrestlemania. Because winning belts at WM just seems more rewarding than winning them at other events in the modern-day WWE.
Of course, in this day and age, WWE can just make some video packages about a championship's lineage and poof! Instant prestige. But IMO it goes way beyond that. It means restoring a belt's integrity by putting it between two excellent wrestlers in one excellent angle with excellent promos and matches. Or else it'll get the now-infamous "HHH/Orton Wrestlemania 25 treatment" (to put it in more recent terms). An awesome, captivating angle with an extremely shitty payoff, which, in turn, devalues the belt it was fought for.
Welcome to World Wrestling Entertainment circa 2009.
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Post by Main_Event_Quality on Aug 5, 2009 7:27:14 GMT -5
I don't like Randy Orton and I find his reign really boring yet I feel I need to defend him right now lol Oh my geez, they book him like a total pansy. He hides behind jobbers who shouldn't be jobbers, and he runs away from everyone. He's the leader of a heel faction. ALL leaders of heel factions act like that. He's just being a typical heel and making sure the title stays around his waist That's because they need to build his credibility up before challenging for the title. Most of the time he's challenging the same guy who took the title off him so he needs to go in looking stronger than before to keeps the fans attention see previous comment The thing is that IS how it's suppossed to be. The faces are always suppossed to be much better in the ring, that way the heels have to cheat which makes the fans boo them. Then watch TNA where everybody is a tweener Trips had much better faces to work with. The fans would boo somebody just for attacking Austin from behind, where as today the fans aren't gonna boo somebody just for attacking Cena. Hell Edge got cheered for it. Those two are huge power houses, they wouldn't be able to make the coward thing work. And much like my last comment they also had better faces to work with. It did and he does, that's why people boo him My problem is just that--he's being a typical heel. Its the same old thing and boring. This is coming from a Randy fan as well as a heel fan. It boggles my mind when they throw logic out of the window when they make someone badass and the moment that person is a heel he can no longer be a man. This is the same Randy that took the Undertaker head on at WM whatever as well as taking on HHH as a face. Why is he such a pussy now? Now I'm not saying that he cant have the basic heel mannerisms such as hiding behind his lackeys (they really deserve better) nor am I saying he should win all his matches clean but it shouldn't have to be so black and white such him get deliberately DQ'd in multiple matches. This is cheap booking that not only cheats the audience but does nothing to make him entertaining. I dont want to see him get beat up; I simply just dont want to see him. They dont book him as a bastard heel unless he's kicking someone in the head. Other than that he's a vacuum where the depths of entertainment go to die. I dont think that it should be so clear that the face is better than the heel. If that's the case then it forces you to book the same kind of stories over and over where a heel cheats and the babyface has to beat the opposition. Sometimes its good to blur the lines a bit and toy with tradition. In may cases this works but with Randy it falls flat and is just tired. He's easily one of the most boring heels champs I've ever witnessed. You make some very good points, however. I dont get your TNA comment.
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Post by Main_Event_Quality on Aug 5, 2009 7:32:38 GMT -5
I dont blame Rey Mysterio's bad reign on Rey at all. The booking and the timing was horrible. The rushed to put the title on Rey because he was Eddie's good friend and following that they had him job EVERY week to guys larger than him for NO FREAKING REASON!!! What was the point of putting your most prestigious title on a man, in honor of a recently deceased wrestler, and tarnish his reign in the name of the dead? WWE is just horribly stupid for that move. ~~Honorable mention "Finger Poke of Doom", anyone?
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Post by Malaphesto on Aug 5, 2009 12:44:35 GMT -5
I don't like Randy Orton and I find his reign really boring yet I feel I need to defend him right now lol He's the leader of a heel faction. ALL leaders of heel factions act like that. He's just being a typical heel and making sure the title stays around his waist That's because they need to build his credibility up before challenging for the title. Most of the time he's challenging the same guy who took the title off him so he needs to go in looking stronger than before to keeps the fans attention see previous comment The thing is that IS how it's suppossed to be. The faces are always suppossed to be much better in the ring, that way the heels have to cheat which makes the fans boo them. Then watch TNA where everybody is a tweener Trips had much better faces to work with. The fans would boo somebody just for attacking Austin from behind, where as today the fans aren't gonna boo somebody just for attacking Cena. Hell Edge got cheered for it. Those two are huge power houses, they wouldn't be able to make the coward thing work. And much like my last comment they also had better faces to work with. It did and he does, that's why people boo him My problem is just that--he's being a typical heel. Its the same old thing and boring. This is coming from a Randy fan as well as a heel fan. It boggles my mind when they throw logic out of the window when they make someone badass and the moment that person is a heel he can no longer be a man. This is the same Randy that took the Undertaker head on at WM whatever as well as taking on HHH as a face. Why is he such a pussy now? Now I'm not saying that he cant have the basic heel mannerisms such as hiding behind his lackeys (they really deserve better) nor am I saying he should win all his matches clean but it shouldn't have to be so black and white such him get deliberately DQ'd in multiple matches. This is cheap booking that not only cheats the audience but does nothing to make him entertaining. I dont want to see him get beat up; I simply just dont want to see him. They dont book him as a bastard heel unless he's kicking someone in the head. Other than that he's a vacuum where the depths of entertainment go to die. I dont think that it should be so clear that the face is better than the heel. If that's the case then it forces you to book the same kind of stories over and over where a heel cheats and the babyface has to beat the opposition. Sometimes its good to blur the lines a bit and toy with tradition. In may cases this works but with Randy it falls flat and is just tired. He's easily one of the most boring heels champs I've ever witnessed. You make some very good points, however. I dont get your TNA comment. RAW has really shitty main event in general right now. With Orton's only real opposition right now being Cena (who gets booed when pushed too strongly) and HHH (who's already pretty lame as a face IMO) they need him to do the typical heel stuff to make sure the fans don't cheer him. Randy could be a badass in a fued with The Undertaker because it's The Undertaker. Orton would get booed regardless of what they did. The TNA comment was just a joke about TNA's "there's no such thing as good guys and bad guys in real life so there shouldn't be in wrestling" mentality
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