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Post by Eddie Mac on Apr 17, 2013 12:24:19 GMT -5
I'm working on a Fanpost for a site called Cageside Seats: a list of things WWE has ruined. And in recent years, they've ruined a lot of stuff. So I tossed it around to a few friends this morning, and here's what they and I have come up with (so far):
-Fandangoing (see the reaction at RAW this past Monday)
-ECW (from 2007 to its death)
-The invasion (no explanation needed)
-Hell in a Cell (from feud ender to yearly PPV)
-All the undercard titles and the world heavyweight title
-NXT (original version, not current one)
-Anyone not named John Cena
-John Cena
-SmackDown
-Main Event
-Raw
-Every PPV not named WrestleMania
-WrestleMania
-WWE Superstars (the show I'm referring to here)
-Nexus
-The divas division
-Commentary
-Rey Mysterio’s knees
-Chris Jericho since 2012
-Twitter
Anything I left out?
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Post by buddhamonkey on Apr 17, 2013 22:41:05 GMT -5
How could you have missed tag team wrestling?
The nWo, though the actual nWo members can take partial blame.
That's all I gots for now.
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Post by Joshua Bishop on Apr 18, 2013 1:23:00 GMT -5
The walkout angle.
The CM Punk worked shoot angle (basically everything after MITB where he won the belt in Chi-Town and then was immediately resigned to a contract)
John Cena in 2012: The so-called "worst year" of his career that was actually just another year for Cena.
The Spirit Squad: Good heel unit, shoveled under a tall mound of dirt via D-Generation X.
Kevin Nash at SummerSlam. Yes, the angle where he 'texted himself.'
The Awesome Truth angle.
Mr. America angle, which had the lamest ending.
Brock Lesnar at and after Extreme Rules. WHAT ARE YOU DOING WWE
Tough Enough.
There's many, many things. MANY.
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Post by afrobandito on Apr 18, 2013 8:26:57 GMT -5
-Percy Watson
-Yoshi Muta
-The Cruiserweight Division
-Team Rhodes Scholars (during first run)
-Was originally gonna say Tensai, but I'm starting to like Tons of Funk.
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Post by Tiago on Apr 18, 2013 12:35:11 GMT -5
Alex Riley
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Post by Goldash on Apr 18, 2013 18:19:15 GMT -5
-Shelton Benjamin. Ruined his super overness in the mid-2000's by putting his "momma" on-screen. Career never recovered. And yes, I know he wasn't good on the mic --- that's where a manager --- other than an obnoxious, overweight woman --- could have stepped in.
-Michael Cole. I never really liked him as an "A Show" announcer but his overexposure on Raw and his heel turn was just repugnant. Though I would have liked him as a manager or even the...
-Anonymous Raw General Manager. IT WAS HORNSWOGGLE THE ENTIRE TIME? They could have picked any heel they wanted. Instead, they picked an ex-Leprechaun. Which reminds me...
-Vince McMahon's Bastard Son angle. This was the perfect opportunity to push Mr. Kennedy over the top as the "golden child" of the company. Instead, it was Hornswoggle and was dropped quickly by JBL in a pre-Wrestlemania 24 promo saying he was Finlay's son all along --- essentially wasting all of our time and many hours of TV.
-Booker T's Buildup Prior to WMXIX. And what's worse, they did it in such a borderline-racist way that it's hard to watch. Booker breaking HHH's 2003 "reign of terror" would have been a great Wrestlemania moment and a feel-good success story for a dude who worked really hard to get to that point. However, it was just not to be.
-Shane Douglas. Luckily, he recovered with his great ECW "Franchise" gimmick.
-Armando Alejandro Estrada. Turned who could have been the next amazing manager (whether face or heel) into the world's biggest midget (a.k.a. the General Manager of ECW)
-Rob Conway. Talented worker but the poster child of zero crowd reaction.
-Braden Walker/Chris Harris. Need I say more?
-Zach Gowen. Another "feel good" story ruined by people who felt he was getting "too popular, too fast" (actual wrestling talent be damned).
-Kenny Dykstra. Was hyped up to be the "next big thing" in the WWE but soon faded into obscurity (though he probably did it to himself).
-Marcus Cor Von/Monty Brown. Solid midcard big man in TNA becomes a terribly named, generic one in WWE.
-Jim Ross. This is iffy, considering he's still immensely respected by wrestling fans, but hell if they embarrass the guy ALL THE TIME.
-Johnny Jeter. One of the longest reigning OVW Champions and one of only a few guys who never really recovered from the Spirit Squad gimmick.
-The Usos. Talented, charismatic workers and one of the only "classic" teams left in WWE. There's still time to turn things around, though.
-The Highlanders. Same as above, minus the "still time" and plus "highly gimmicky".
-Drew McIntyre. No doubt he had "the look", but his "Chosen One" gimmick flopped big time. Again, had Vince McMahon actually been his manager instead of simply giving him his endorsement, he could have attained nuclear heat. Though I don't mind 3MB. It's a good group for three guys that would have been stuck in lower-midcard hell otherwise.
-Zack Ryder. This is still a testy issue because there's a possibility his "whining" on Twitter could turn into a genius heel turn (highly unlikely). Dude was on top of the world but gained popularity in ways the WWE didn't directly have a hand in (his YouTube show). He then became Kane's punching bag, Cena's crony and Eve's Wrestlemania Moment.
Honestly, so many people give WCW's 1998-2001 era shit yet give modern WWE a free pass...both seemed to do the exact same thing at times. Unfortunately, as we all know, WWE no longer has major competition.
I understand many people won't like what I posted, but that's fine with me. I'm just giving my two cents on situations, angles and characters, "talented" or otherwise. There may not be a right or wrong answer here, anyway. It's all subjective.
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Post by Malaphesto on Apr 18, 2013 21:07:54 GMT -5
-Vince McMahon's Bastard Son angle. This was the perfect opportunity to push Mr. Kennedy over the top as the "golden child" of the company. It's better that didn't happen John Morrison: While he was incredibly dull on the mic, but the guy was over than the vast majority of the roster. His pops were almost Orton/Cena loud. 3MB: The fuck happened, they were getting a push when they started, then 2013 happened and WWE was just like "fuck it". |
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Post by Tiago on Apr 18, 2013 21:34:28 GMT -5
WWE Network: When was this supposed to launch anyway?
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Post by Goldash on Apr 18, 2013 21:45:20 GMT -5
Almost forgot:
-Muhammad Hassan. Had WWE not gotten in trouble with UPN after the character turned from "Angry Arab-American" to "Pretty Much A Terrorist" during his feud with Taker, we could have seen someone with true "nuclear heat" win the WWE Championship (Jack Swagger pretty much paled in comparison to the reaction Hassan once received). Say what you will about the guy, but the WWE would have done well with him in the main event scene considering he was one of the only heels that garnered a hugely negative reaction at that time. Unfortunately, the gimmick proved *too* risky. Shame.
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Post by The Lord of Awesome on Apr 19, 2013 1:50:44 GMT -5
Almost forgot: -Muhammad Hassan. Had WWE not gotten in trouble with UPN after the character turned from "Angry Arab-American" to "Pretty Much A Terrorist" during his feud with Taker, we could have seen someone with true "nuclear heat" win the WWE Championship (Jack Swagger pretty much paled in comparison to the reaction Hassan once received). Say what you will about the guy, but the WWE would have done well with him in the main event scene considering he was one of the only heels that garnered a hugely negative reaction at that time. Unfortunately, the gimmick proved *too* risky. Shame. Had they moved the feud from SD! to RAW it actually might of been saved. Just my speculation 3MB: The fuck happened, they were getting a push when they started, then 2013 happened and WWE was just like "fuck it". ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS MAKE THEM SPINAL TAP. This was the gimmick I have been hoping for forever. Fucking Dunn. |
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Post by Brent Delivine on Apr 20, 2013 4:09:09 GMT -5
- American Wrestling for me.
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Post by HEELPiTeRo on Apr 20, 2013 8:04:50 GMT -5
WWE ruined kids.
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Post by Eddie Mac on Apr 22, 2013 10:03:14 GMT -5
WWE Network: When was this supposed to launch anyway? That still a thing? |
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Post by Rodney Xavior on Apr 23, 2013 11:49:06 GMT -5
A few things in my opinion:
Cryme Tyme. Racist. Funny... but racist.
The Hurricane. Really fun gimmick at first but then it turned into a hurri-joke. Helms never could step into his own after it.
RVD. For a guy as over as that, they just couldn't let him win. Even with the short WWE title run the whole thing to me felt cheap. They couldn't let him just beat super-cena one night of the year. Edge had to spear him through a table first.
Daniel Bryan. Incredible worker. Great Move-set. Decent on the mic. At first, I thought the whole "team hell no," thing was funny. I disagreed with allowing the "WWE Universe," to name them. It's an insane amount of fan interaction. This is a global organization that literally put a decision in the hands of a couple million 10-year-old's. For now, the gimmick is decent but when it comes time for D-Bryan to separate from Kane, that guy is going right back to a worthless US title run because he will never be taken seriously again.
Perry Saturn. The guy had a 'tough guy,' look and was a great worker. He had a great move-set and they even gave him a manager and eventually he just kept saying 'you're welcome,' and acting like a fool.
Kurt Angle. Still, IMO, the best in the game today. There is no way that the most decorated wrestler in the world should be working anywhere but the "NFL," of pro-wrestling. I am not saying he is not great in TNA. I am a fan of TNA. I am a fan of just about all the wrestling I can get my hands on but when that guy couldn't get the time off he needed and then got moved to the ECW brand I think it was a huge sign of disrespect. Even with the "you suck," angle it was funny and everything but intern I think fans never really appreciated what they had.
Kane. The entire period where his mask was off. None of it was good.
Commentary. Nobody calls the matches. They never use the names of the moves, they never talk about the action going on in the ring. The WWE has made commentary a frigging joke. JBL, cole, even Ross are all just bantering back and forth talking about twitter and youtube like it's the bloodline of their business.
Sports Entertainment marketing in general. I hate the fact that they are not called "professional wrestlers." I hate uses of the word "superstars," and "performers." The market these matches to children as "performances," like it's frigging interpretative dance.
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Post by jackpacnation on Apr 23, 2013 19:03:21 GMT -5
Drew Mcintyre: The dude should of been world champ by now but they turned him into a jobber i have a feeling he will be the class of 2013 of the future endeavored superstars.
Zack Ryder: Things were looking bright for him after his U.S. Title win but then once again WWE screwed up made kane beat him up and lose the belt to swagger he'll be a great pick for the class of 2013 future endeavored superstars.
World Heavyweight Championship: 3 words World Jobber Championship
Tensai: He had so much damn potential heck even beat Cena but WWE dropped the ball again made him job to Cena then his Career went free falling all the down to dancing like a damn fool.
Team Rhodes Scholars aka Team Reunion Scholars: These guys were a great tag team but when they broke up it was hugely disappointing but then WWE made them have Reunions every damn week it was ok once but almost 10 times is overkill in my books.
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